Holzberg 2002:20. If this poem, with its “open” conclusion, is complete, then it is a parallel to the “New Sappho” understood as a complete poem, which happens also to be twelve lines long. Fr. On his account, the understanding of an ancient text comes about not in spite of but because of and within our historical distance from that text. 2005. Leiden. Edmunds 2006:n2: The typical opening in Pindar is relative pronoun + aorist + ποτε + aorist participle (or a subset of these). In my opinion, Pindar is the wrong place in which to look. Holzberg, N. 2002. While one shouldn’t seek appreciation as an end in itself, a little affirmation doesn’t hurt. de Jong, I. J. F. 1997. 17. New York. This, in turn, helps me to observe, better understand and (hopefully) appreciate the translator’s efforts all the more. … Dionysius of Halicarnassus took Pindar and Sappho to represent opposite kinds of style, and Horace is likely to be reflecting this view in Odes 4.2. Hardie 2005. A purest would count long stressed or sounding words along with short unstressed words as opposed to merely stressed and unstressed. [ back ] 5. Campbell, D. A., ed. ———. 16, Helen leaves Menelaus and her daughter and so forth. But what justifies using these speeches as comparanda for Sappho? Sappho’s poetry dating back more than two millennia. But as Mr. Yankevich rightly writes, we should pay no heed to empty praise, nor even any praise at all. 2005a. Because there are no normalized rules for such, and because I neither have the passion (obsession), nor inclination to set up new rules, I find it unacceptable for my own writing, try as I may have in my past. As Hunter 2007:217–219 argues. He is a graduate researcher in Materials Science at NC State University. [11] If that was the end of the poem, one can assume that there was a return to the gnome with which the poem begins or to the circumstances which occasioned that gnome. 1978. Sappho F 58.23-6 proclaim Sappho's love of luxury and the sun, which "has obtained for me the bright and the beautiful." wishing a better, Fate than theirs, and all that I’ve lost with living The familiar tragic version of Tithonus’ fate first appears in twosources: Mimner- mus from Smyrna or Colophon, and the Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite. Gronewald and Daniel 2004b:3-4. On the attribution of these lines to Euenos of Paros, either the contemporary of Socrates or an older one, which was proposed by four different scholars between 1907 and 1934, see Vetta 1980:121–123. 71-83) by Deborah Boedeker – deal with a possibility, which is particularly rich in implications, raised by the discovery itself of the Cologne papyrus: that of fr. Buenos Aires. Penelope, too, uses it at Odyssey 19.524 to round off the story of Pandareus’ daughter, the nightingale, and return to her own situation. 1992. [9] ) As for Horace, as one who hoped to play the Lesboum barbiton (Odes 1.1.34), he seems a more likely candidate for comparison with Sappho. 2001. Already Heubeck 1954:25: “normhafte Dreistufenaufbau.”. 59 (from the Palatine Anthology 9.189). The rhetorical “I have seen” is reminiscent of Sandburg. He is definitely trying. In a sympotic context, the point of the exemplum is so clear that it is perhaps more effective if left unexpressed: as even Atalanta yielded, so you will yield to me. Amalgam: West 1974:165–167; IEG2 app. The peculiar imperfect ἔφαντο suggests that Sappho’s perspective has indeed changed, presumably because of self-understanding that post-dates the perspective of the subjects of ἔφαντο. 1982. As I said in the abstract of the presentation from which this paper has emerged, “The narrator finds a particular point of contact between the myth and the situation to which he or she applies it.” The tertium comparationis is never in doubt or left as allusion or riddle. [20] Pittacus is referred to in line 47. Erlangen. Just realized the thread puts the responses a bit out of order. [And I think I am in disagreement with Mr. Salemi, Mr. Anderson, Mr. Harris, and others, when I suggest that girls itself can be either a long syllable with a duration of a 1.5 or a 2 count]. Symbolae Osloensis Supplement 25. Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window), Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window), Click to email this to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), 'Hummingbird Communion' and Other Spring Poetry by Susan Jarvis Bryant, ‘King Horn’ Middle English Romance, Translation by Russell Spera, ‘The Homeward-Bound Armada, 1588’ by Joseph S. 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With that said, I felt disappointed at times that much of the poetry available from these poets tended to be concerned with passion and lust. Howie 1977. of transmission in writing. [19] The fourth and last example from Alcaeus is fr. 16 (LP): Self-Consolation and Encomium.” Papers of the Liverpool Latin Seminar 1 (ed. once upon a time, they could lift me leaping 1987. Aarau. Taalman Kip 1987:125: “ … [W]e cannot even guess how Alcaeus made the switch from myth to reality at the end of the fragment. The … Who can forget that agonised cry of Gerard Manley Hopkins: “Mine, O thou lord of life, send my roots rain.” If only he could have been appreciated in his life more than he was, what difference might that have made? [30] Third, as rhetorical utterances, the speeches in Homer are, like poems or songs, performance genres. This is a note for all who offer translations. life, maturity how it reaches outward Best to you and your efforts. I will also discuss the narrated mythical exemplum in speeches in Homer, for reasons to be explained later. brings and patience next to it, light defining Further, one notes καί μοι, which resembles a rounding-off formula. Campbell 1982:259: “16 is certainly the last line.” Incomplete: see references in Rösler 1980:224n270. “The Function of the Digressions in the Iliad.” Greek, Roman, and Byzantine Studies 7:295–312. [ back ] 35. That people can be great though deprived of appreciation, one does not dispute, but it is not something to be looked for or sought out as if it were a badge of honour. Ferrari, F. 1989. As for the Theognidea, lines 1287–1294 (on Atalanta) would also be an example of an “open” ending if it were certain that these lines constitute a single poem. While I very much like the agenda of the Victorian Hellenists, I am not as satisfied with them as I am with the late English Romantics and the German Classical Romantics in that direction, a place Mr. Whidden occasionally goes to in his sonnets. [36], To move toward a conclusion, a survey of the evidence for the narrated mythical exemplum in archaic monody and elegy shows only a single indubitable case of an “open” conclusion, against a few cases of an A-B-A structure, where A is the present situation and B is the myth. Perhaps Mr. Southerland will accomplish what I feel Swinburne did not. “Example”). 1980. John Ezard, After 2,600 years, the world gains a fourth poem by Sappho, The Guardian (Fri. June 24th, 2005) 42). I know only fragments remain, but I’d be very happy to see what you have. Campbell 1982:339n1 sums up the position of the doubters: “Many assume that the poem is incomplete.”. Howie is right, the poem did not end at line 20 but continued to line 33, where there is a coronis. [42]. fading like the daylight at even’s tide, my I do think there are possibilities with writing Sapphics. [ back ] 39. Carried off to a far flung corner, How likely is it that an exemplum will conclude a poem? wife of love, and this has been on my mind, late– Hōld yoū lĭttlē gīrls tō thě gīfts ōf vī ōlēt mūsēs. (The mythical exemplum in tragedy, too, tends to stand in a complex relation to the action. [ back ] 13. I tried to translate your translation into sapphic stanzas. 1.25 καὶ νῦν). 1787). Borges, J. L. 1964. Thanks David. For Alcaeus, then, we have one example of a myth concluding a poem (fr. ἀγήραον ἄνθρωπον ἔοντ’ οὐ δύνατον γένεϲθαι. Theognis: Elegiarum liber secundus. With καὶ νῶϊ one can compare νῦν δá½² κ[ἄμοι in Sappho fr. The Oxyrhynchus Papyri 69. Bernsdorff 2005. - The Academy of American Poets is the largest membership-based nonprofit organization fostering an appreciation for contemporary poetry and supporting American poets. 4. I count coup when I can. It aims at establishing the outline of the poem that Sappho’s audience might have expected. Sappho is not only one of the few women poets we know of from antiquity, but also is one of the greatest lyric poets from any age. André Lardinois, too, compared the “New Posidippus,” and said that, in the unstable conditions of archaic poetry, two different versions might have been transmitted. Tithonus Alfred Lord Tennyson - 1809-1892 The woods decay, the woods decay and fall, The vapours weep their burthen to the ground, Man comes and tills the field and lies beneath, And after many a summer dies the swan. “Offene Gedichtschlüsse.” Zeitschrift für Papyrologie und Epigraphik 153:1–6. 38A, in which Alcaeus exhorts Melanippus to get drunk with him. The Language of Heroes: Speech and Performance in the “Iliad.” Ithaca. “Catalogues, Priamels, and Stanzaic Structure in Early Greek Elegy.” Transactions of the American Philological Association 135:249–265. *The comment about scanscion, etc., is directed to Bruce, of course. Canter, H. V. 1933. Maronitis 2004:79–80 gives a formalistic argument for unity. I am grateful to Michele Caprioli for corresponding with me about this paper. Thus already Tarditi 1969:86–96. I haven’t written anything in Sapphic stanzas, but I did try the form once before abandoning it. But, from the time of its publication, opinions have differed about the completeness of Alcaeus fr. Sappho’s audience would have been more equipped to do so as well.” In this way, he or she collapses the distinction between reception contemporary with Sappho and later reception such as Janko’s. In Iliad 24, Achilles concludes the Niobe exemplum: ἀλλ’ á¼„γε δá½´ καὶ νῶϊ … (618). I cited an example of this formula from Sappho fr. 2. In 2004, the Tithonus Poem and a new, previously unknown fragment was discovered, and in 2014, fragments of nine poems: five already known but with new readings, including the Brothers Poem, were found in an ancient Egyptian vase. She knows something that they didn’t know. It requires an ear and ten fingers plus a toe. Read all poems of Sappho and infos about Sappho. Tithonus, mentioned in the poem, was a mortal whom the goddess Dawn … Bernsdorff 2005:2n5 on the term “open”: it is from Walter Wili. As such, Tithonus is doomed to age and as he withers and wrinkles away, he is left to endure alone since his lover, the immortal goddess Aurora is tasked with carrying … [21] In the priamel in Theognis 699–718, the foils—heroes and mythical figures—are concise and unnarrated, with one exception, Sisyphus. The Center for Hellenic Studies of Harvard University, online edition of March 11, 2011. http://chs.harvard.edu/wa/pageR?tn=ArticleWrapper&bdc=12&mn=3534. Oxford. Teognide: Elegie. ———. This distinction I have made between the way or ways we can read the “New Sappho” and the way the twelve lines would have appeared to Sappho’s audience needs further discussion, as an anonymous reader’s reaction to this paper shows. 38A.10). The later poet enables new ways of reading the earlier poet. Elegy contains many mythical exempla but only a few that are narrated and thus relevant to the present question. Early Greek Poetry and Philosophy. Your version isn’t perfect (neither is mine), by I admire your skill with Sapphics. 3. 9. Canter 1933 might be useful for purposes other than mine. 38A, 298), and one non liquet (fr. I appreciate it, Leo. 106–108. Diss., University of Oslo. Corrected second edition 1990. Howie, J. G. 1977. It’s impossible to say, of course, but I certainly think he would have produced an even more astonishing output. [ back ] 34. [5] But, as he has to admit at the outset, in archaic monody there exists only one possible case of a complete poem ending with a mythical narrative. Both he and Clayman were thinking materialistically, so to speak, i.e. He introduces the exemplum with á½¥ς ποτέ φασιν. 1.25 καὶ νῦν). Sappho poems, quotations and biography on Sappho poet page. Gronewald, M., and Daniel, R. W. 2004a. I really like your translation! Cf. Simply send an email to mbryant@classicalpoets.org. “Sappho and Latin Poetry.” In Bastianini and Casanova 2007:213–225. 4. “The Paradeigmatic Nature of Nestor’s Speech in Iliad 11.” Transactions of the American Philological Association 113:55–68. Page 1955:282: “ends abruptly in the eighth line, leaving the sequel to the memory of the audience.”, [ back ] 19. Gonis, N., et al., eds. So Richard Janko argued in his TLS article, [43] and so, but finding a different idea, did Joel Lidov, though Lidov stopped short of saying that the “New Sappho” is a complete poem, preferring “complete poetic statement.” To repeat, I myself do not expect a mythical exemplum in such a context to be a riddle or to be allusive. ———, ed. J. Simon Harris lives with his family in Raleigh, NC. [7] Although both Pindar and Sappho are “lyric” poets, they differ in time, place, dialect, meters, and performance venue, thus also, I assume, in the use of the mythical exemplum. Herodotus in Context: Ethnography, Science, and the Art of Persuasion. Baltimore, MD. Trans. In fr. 1985. A stronger counter-argument against the idealist, transhistorical pretension of the syllogism I have analyzed can be found in Hans-Georg Gadamer’s Truth and Method. Sappho, who is doing you wrong? Paris. As you predicted, I don’t agree with your scanscion of the English here. “Mythological Innovation in the Iliad.” Classical Quarterly n.s. [15]. á½¥ς at Iliad 11.762; 14.328; 18.120; 19.134; 23.643. ]ι̣μέναν νομίσδει What ought to be in concluding lines is some kind of self-consolation, as the first editors of the “New Sappho” thought. Page, D. L. 1955. See Bonifazi 2004, who points out that “γάρ is the particle that introduces mythical sections without a relative pronoun” (47), citing two places in Pindar and referring to de Jong 1997. Poetry is not only a “jungle” as Mr. Yankevich recently stated, it is a vital element in the creation of civilization, and as such it really matters. I tend to agree with you, Mr. Sale. Fraenkel, H. 1927. Review of R. Oehler, Mythologische Exempla in der älteren griechischen Dichtung (Aarau 1925). Taalman Kip, A. M. van Erp. Cf. [23] Another narrated mythical exemplum in Theognis, this time two couplets long, occurs in a pederastic poem (1341–1350). 5. 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